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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Nov 11, 2009 7:32am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: When did Keith & Donna know?

As LiA notes, Keith really seemed to go downhill through 1977 and by '78 he was just mailing it in. Generally speaking I find early '78 through early '79 to be one of the weakest stretches of the Dead's first 15 years- a few jewels, but a whole lot more shows that just lack any real snap or energy.

Here's Donna's account of the end, from an interview with Gans:

http://www.levity.com/gans/Donna.980328.html

DG: And yet, 14 months after the recording of this "Dick's Picks," you guys were out of the band. What happened?

Donna: Well, like I said, we were really wasted. You get a husband and wife on the road, and that is a prescription for, you name it. It was really hard on us. Coming into such a huge scene, like we did, and being thrust from one place into such a monumental and extended musical expression -- it's not only musical expression, but you get the whole Grateful Dead dynamic. It's just a huge thing. And all of the elements, which I won't go into right now, that were in place during that time -- it was a pretty hefty prescription for Keith and I to be. . . "in demise" , you might say.

And we realized that we had to get out of the band. We talked about it; we said, "We're not quitters. We don't know how to quit." But we knew we that we needed to be out of the band. It was nobody's fault, it's just what was happening. And never would there be any blame there in any way. Everybody's responsible for their own actions. But we knew we needed to be out of the band. Now, they did, too, and I can maybe take this opportunity to clarify. I get questions: "Did you guys quit or were you fired?" And I say very honestly, it was both. Very much both. I left a tour mid-tour once, and I can't remember what that tour was, but I left in the middle of the tour. I just said, I can't do this anymore.

So it was after that tour, then Keith and I did one more tour. And there was a meeting at mine and Keith's house, and the whole band came, and they -- I believe it was Bobby that said, "We think you guys need to do your own musical thing, and it's time for you to go and do what you want to do." And we said, we agree. That's where *we* were at. So it was a very mutual decision. But they did say that. I want to get that on record. There was a meeting at our house, and they let us know it was time, and we let them know we were definitely in agreement that it was time. Therefore, it was never real strained or weird. Keith and I just went about doing what we needed to do and so did they.

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Poster: jackstraw86 Date: Nov 11, 2009 11:49am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: When did Keith & Donna know?

Thanks for that Skuzzle, that was imformative and makes a lot of sense.

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Nov 11, 2009 8:49am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: When did Keith & Donna know?

Seems to me, If I remember from some where, the final axe fall was a phone call (?),but I'm not certain .
I think there is good stuff throughout 78 (early 78 as Dave Lemieux points out , seems more like 77 ) , but by the end of the year , into the last K&D tour in eary in 79, they need a change . Again, still some impressive stuff, but look at Donna in the 12/31/78 video , and compre it to the Egypt footage , TIRED .

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